There's no way to be better than that, regardless of what Suggsverse tells you. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. 21 48 48 comments Best material-world • 2 yr. Probably thanos as he seemed to. TOAA isn't omnipotent. Same with Beyonder and TOAA. Rorschach vs Dr. Beyonder is too big for the multiverse, his very presence alters the entire multiverse a great deal, without him even knowing it - Scan 1 and Scan 2The One-Above-All was created by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo and first appeared in Fantastic Four #511. He is True Omnipotent inside. The Fulcrum is an aspect of Eternity as are the Celestials. TOAA is basically the Writer's manifistation with-in the story. The One-Above-All is Omnipotent (All Powerful), Omniscient (All Knowing), and Omnipresent (Everywhere). ~ Stan Lee Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". TOAA vs Beyonder TOAA: Retcon biyotch. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. I would say as well TOAA seems "more" omnipotent then Presence. Yeah All Mighty Wins. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. But this fight is a good one because Rimuru and Anos are also ones of the most powerful characters in fiction. ago. the Beyonder was the supreme being of the Marvel Universe before the introduction of TOAA or Oblivion. No it is not. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. Marvel vs DC. . Given that he included the IG, its fair to assume that he wanted it to work. Beyonder. The Beyonders are powerful, but ultimately still finite. 7 years ago. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. . PRB = TOAA = The Presence, then we have the Lucifer/ Owen Reese category then everything else in Marvel and DC are just foddler. Beyonder 16. Its highly subjective since Superman is kind of featless. DC_Marvel_1000 said: " Kentaxx said: "Dude PR Beyonder was the most powerful being in comics outside of gods like TOAA ". About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. State of mind: Characters will employ their usual battle strategies, including flaws. As in rough equals with the presence, who is easily Mikey boy. Knowledge of the other character/verse: No prior knowledge of each other. Wiki Points. 9 years ago. The True Beyonder vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Thread starter Thespacelord;. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. . the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. What I given I can take away, so: Richard Reeds and Sue Storm can take away Franklin Richards power. TOAA is omnipotent in the Marvel multiverse , not outside of it. It involved, at the time, marvel explaining the potential of other comic mega-verses existing and the fact that each has their own supreme being. [deleted] • 8 yr. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The Great Evil Beast is on the level with The Presence. Round 1: Beyonder Vs ZRound 2: Beyonder Vs Kami TenchiRound 3: Beyonder Vs Truth (FMA). 1. ". Aug 10, 2018Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the strongest here , he was basically the original TOAA before he got retconned , HOTU made Thanos second to TOAA & he was still manipulated by TOAA during the events of HOTUAnti-Monitor consistently gets knocked around by Kryptonians. I dunno. Beyonder: Sonuva. In almost every category – barring the Pre-Retconned Beyonder, where he was the one envisioned to be the prime deity of Marvel Comics – TOAA trumps the Beyonder, and it’s not even close. Beyonder Doom 14. Pre-retcon Beyonder. Beyonder would just toy with the Spectre. bunker_man • 2 mo. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. Team Lucifer Morningstar - vs - Team Beyonder #. You. She-hulk and GoS Loki can both negate/resist the affect of Plot Manipulation user, she-hulk forced her writer to rewrite her story and GoS Loki was able. 14 years ago. Beyonder vs The Presence, Yahweh, TOAA. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. ago. Beyonder Doom 14. . Well the Beyonder is infinite dimensional as well. Many sources say TOBA is equal in strength to The One Above All. 6. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence 2. TLT is a servant of TOAA and is below TOAA in terms of power, TLT is able to turn off the infinity gauntlet in the hands of Adam Warlock and beat people like Protoge with a little help from Scathan, judge people like Beyonder, etc and is above people like Eternity, Infinity who are above people like Galactus or Odin who are above space, time. Kuuko273. The One Above All has no equal. The celestial is probably still well above Manhattan but I'm not as sure there. 93. I build with many hands. Your response is private Was this worth your time? This helps us sort answers on the page. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. - Funny thing is they also showed a scan of being Omnipotent. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. . 2. the fulcrum vs astral regulator thanos vs pre retcon beyonder. There is a reason for his name "the one above all". Im well aware that TOAA is the supreme being in marvel but zeus is king of the gods and he became the supreme. Heck, it was Pre-Retcon Beyonder who was basically the original and first Marvel's Void Abstract, not Oblivion. So if you have proof of this go to the content revision section. The power of love is said to be a threat. Beyonder > Odin> Galactus>Thanos> Onslaught. 1. Beyonder is literally the strongest being in marvel only second to toaa period. TOAA is the strongest character in fiction because he is the creator of the marvel universe. Nope that’s pre-retcon not post retcon. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. The LT is likely around the angels level, he is the officially strongest creation of TOAA. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. The Beyonder and the One-Above-All both have a decent claim to being the most powerful character in the Marvel Universe. If we assume the latter, then Deku and Bakugo would get destroyed by him and TOAA. you are skirting the lines of the no-limits. Veldavana also existed in a plane void outside Everythingness and. Ahl God Of Superheroes. Follow 4160. 2. Marvel team : Pre-Retcon Molecule Man, The Beyonder & Living Tribunal. Seriously TOAA can erase everyone in all marvel universes without even trying heck he could fight them all at once, not even SS god Goku could stop him. Pre-Retcon Beyonder (33 votes) Lucifer 61%. Author has 139 answers and 136K answer views 3 y. TOAA is the creator of the multiverse and everyone and everything in it, including the Beyonders. Both have the same powers. 1. PR Beyonder is more powerful than Marvels TOAA(who was defeated by Thanos with an Astral Regulator). it would be mostly stalemate. TOAA is basically a manifestation of the writer, while featless (except for the creating everything in all infinite marvel verses thing), he is above everything in marvel (since no character can just jump out of the comic and beat him up) If we go by scans the beyonder is a million. He was stated to be millions of times powerful than the Entire Marvel Multiverse Combined which even included The Living Tribunal and Molecule Man and We all know that Living Tribunal is almost as Powerful As Michael Demiurgos. Having incubated within a specialized "womb-space" created by his progenitors for an unknown amount of time, the Beyonder eventually became aware of existence apart from his own when a pinhole tore. Team stomps 50% . Minor nitpick. Vision House Of Ideas 11. I mean they give birth to he and his powers. Not sure why this thread was even made Are you talking multiple pre retcon beyonders Or multiple current beyonders ( meaning the ones who killed TLT) Because this has already played out before Dr room stole their power but only with the help of molecule man and he's the one who held on to most ofbthe powerJul 2, 2016. same gods in the marvel verse would effortlessly stomp kaguya. 7 K. 13 / 10. If we however assume that Johnny isn't just above Deku and Bakugo where Deku and Bakugo. God Emperor Doom got his powers from the same Beyonders that Phoenix is confirmed to be above, so it doesn’t matter if you want to take the retconned versions or not, Phoenix will always be stronger than Doom. TOAA has no powers. He is the most powerful being in the Marvel Multiverse. Beyonder would be stomped. 9. Master Chief, Guts, Captain America, Batman, Aragorn, Geralt, Levi and Black Noir vs. TOAA was the supreme being of the marvel multiverse (interchangeably called universe) and everything in it. The Beyonder is so beyond that, it is ridiculous. the same Molecule Man that trapped the Omniverse in a box. ' beyonder is millions of times more powerful thsn LT, TOAA, Fulcrum and every other Marvel guy combined. Recall the first being that we met who called itself a Beyonder. FAA could stalemate EGDB and (PR) Beyonder, 1v1. Beyonder vs The Celestials. Homelander has Outerversal AP. 1st Retconned Beyonder < Cosmic Cube. and it can be said so is spectre. Beyonder stomps. Bonus round: Chousins vs pre-retcon beyonder . TOAA isn't omnipotent anymore, and Beyonder is fodder. Strange, The Living Tribunal, Cosmic Abstracts (including ones that embody the concept of time, death, and infinity), Beyonder, Molecule Man, the omniverse, etc. Like thanos becoming toaa with HOTU. But I just posted in death vs TOAA thread about DC cosmology. He's above Dr. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact AKM sama if you encounter any problems. Phoenixblue. Beyonder vs Everyone else in Marvel . 9. Blunt statement, and based on common misconception. This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Victory Conditions: Death, KO. 4 years ago. Team Beyoder: Living Tribunal. XXBEERUSXX • • 1 yr. #1. Jun 12, 2019 #2. s. The glory (Dr. Job Burke 4. 2. The TOAA and Presence will beat Beyonder but if you look at my first post. Or actually had the power of God or the Source in DC. Beyonder - Millions of times as powerful as the Multiverse combined, but almost dies from being hit by The Phoenix Force and the sum of the Multiverse, proving his base self can't sustain that. This. @Matezoide said: " One Above All celestial = Beyonder kicks his @ss One Above All god = TOAA makes Beyonder cry ". The beyonders as a race are generally pathetic compared to the Beyonder also, it took a bunch for them to beat LT while PRB was millions of times stronger than him even weakened. Follow 1. A resisting Beyonder isn't stronger than a non-resisting TOAA, because the TOAA can do anything he wants so he never has to resist anything happening to him (I hope that makes sense)Quacken_ 6 mo 6 d. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. 3. He'd have as much chance as an ant against omnipotence. 33. #edit #short #shorts #debate #comics #marvel #marvelcomics #alightmotionAbout Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise. I dunno. In terms of creation, TOAA can copy or recreate Rimuru and Anos' power. He definitely isn't TOAA level outside maybe his own reality. -Everything in bleach. s. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. From secret wars there was only one beyonder. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. The Beyonders are characters that exist within the boundaries of Marvel Comics, which means TOAA is more powerful than them. Not once. Reason? Preretcon beyonder can stand against TOAA and LT. OTG 1 y 5 mo 27 d. infinity - infinity is still fucking infinity. and so Jim Starlin wrote Comics scenario, to his liking, how Thanos managed to take the astral regulator created by the TOAA and absorb it. If he was defeated then he’s not the. Yeah All Mighty Wins. Pre retcon Beyonder was literally TOAA level. The Glory: description and feats. Follow 331. Respect Sam Howell / SCP-3812 (The SCP Foundation) Scarlet King (SCP) Respect The Scarlet King (SCP Foundation) TOAA (Marvel) Respect One Above All (Marvel, 616) The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. I think Brevoort's answer was a way of taking a dig at Shooter's take on the character and flaunting his power to ret con characters such as Beyonder(prob as being toaa in his own mind). Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse. While Beyonder has the power of Marvel writers. Nyx House Of Ideas 10. ago. zold5 • 1 yr. 0. 2,459 485. Azathoth is TOAA of lovecraft. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. -. #4. While the Living Tribunal is still the judge officially, the Phoenix Force can do everything the. The point of the whole story is that Beyonder explicitly turns himself into a human flesh form that is capable of experiencing all of the joys and sorrows that come. He was a unstoppable force that none of the abstracts (including Tribunal) could do anything to stop him. However, PR Beyonder is an extremely powerful reality warper and is simply way out of Dr. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. He can destroy the omniverse with minimal effort. Absolutely not Definitely yes Ellis Foster Been reading comics since before I could read. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. MOM hasn't shown any feats to suggest that he is on the same exact level as TOAA, let alone Pre-Recton Beyonder. Nix Uotan "The judge of all evil". Follow 16580. The PR Beyonder was defined as a multiverse composed of literally everything outside of that, and that existence shared a single consciousness. . ago. Lordobi said: "Thanos with the gauntlet is #1, Hell anyone with the Gaunlet is #1, Y'all are sleeping on Odin. TOAA also has some plot manipulation and reality warping feats. Sẽ có sự nhầm lẫn, Beyonder là hiện thân của Đa vũ trụ, là tập hợp các yếu tố định luật vật lý của đa Vũ trụ lúc chưa hình thành, nghĩa là ở một đẳng cấp mà không một thực thể hay. Today's TOAA was taken from the Beyonder blueprint, since TOAA is arguably and "supposedly" more powerful than the Presence before he replaced himself with Elaine Belloc, who was not. As the Fight inclines this is Tiamut who is I believe the strongest celestial ( I heard there was another. Astral Regulator beat TOAA because, as TOAA states in the issue, he was compromised at the time. and it can be said so is spectre. She inherited the Demiurgic power through her father and with Lucifer's guidance, she molded and created her own universe, and that was a vastly weaker and earlier version. Thanos would be able to overpower Cosmic Entities like the Beyonder and, on top of that, Thanos is more used to using power on this scale than Doom. Power of love spiderman is probably one of the strongest spidermans this version wakes up one day and seems confused but he notice that in his world all of everything is into one thoughts dreams imaginations time space and universes collide into one which is called the Nexus. Further to that point, the Pre ret Beyonder buy his own admission could be affected by the power of the M'kraan crystal. #1 KingOfAsh. And yes she-hulk can do that as well, but she can also defeat opponents by crumpling up the page, that plot manipulation. Neutral these battles dont make sense. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Reactions: Endless_Astrograph_Sorcerer. toaa can do whatever he wants to do with beyonder. Both have absolute 100% control. No one can defeat that. 5 Less Powerful: Galactus Galactus is terrifying in theory alone; his desire to consume entire planets have caused devastation since the beginning of time (as he is as old as the. [deleted] • 8 yr. m99. However, just like DC, Marvel doesn't get super into the whole infinite universes within infinite universes stuff like Umineko does, so he might end up getting stomped too. if we are highballing then this Beyonder said to be the toaa before the toaa meaing he is omnipotent. As he had the ability to stop the Beyonder(s) should he have chosen. 12 years ago. His powers exceeded that of even abstract entities present in infinite realms, coupled with the LT who holds authority over said entities to the point where their powers are a drop in the ocean to him. Based on the events post Secret Wars, TOAA is supposed to be beyond the Beyonder. And to the other people bringing up TOAA, he is basically The. 3080. DarkGodBane • 7 yr. 168. Poll The Scarlet King vs TOAA, Azathoth, Lucifer Morningstar, Empty Hand and Pre Retcon Beyonder (12 votes) Scarlet King 50% . Well unless we scale all Buddha “feats” from real mythology. While still a child, the older Beyonders began their grand experiment where they. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins. s. Ima go with byonder. But the Beyonder can destroy universal conceptual beings (as seen above when he kills death itself). Beyonder for the curbstomp. HotU Thanos should win based on actual feats. Yet beings like Nyatharlope can create infinite numbers of infinite universes of infinite dimensions easily. He like The Presence is far above the officially strongest without being the supreme. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. Beyonder 16. Forum Posts. The. s. Thus the beyonder was never greater than the marvel megaverse (all of the marvel company), nor was he greater than those who controlled him (his superiors aka TOAA). Never leave. Beyonder being > Oblivion aint change the fact that Beatrice steamrolles Marvel sans TOAA . So basically Superman is getting rolled over. #28 ovy7. Situation 3:If all of them are bloodlusted, the battle ends in less than a minute with the last standing being TOAA and Presence. Ok, this is what I thought. Dem nah, There's toaa, pre retcon beyonder, toba,and true form oblivion as obvious choices but there's actually alot more. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Jan 1, 2019. Jul 30, 2018. There is still reason to believe You Sothoth exceeds Beyonder. The only way Protege would copy Beyonder's powers is if Beyonder allowed it. Neither of. Not comp marvel, Above all Others was confirmed to be TOAA (the one that Thanos defeated) 2. The Beyonder was basically another Omniverse's TOAA. "The Beyond" was quintillions of times more massive than the Marvel Universe. Beyonder: Sonuva. He's the literal definition of Outerverse, as he restored the entire MU after the HOTU-Thanos event. @DJSNuva1 said: " Bruce=God Beyonder<God "Not true. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. bcs he is embodyment of writher than is boundless and far stronger than all characters here. Yeah, Beyonder is retconned, but still seen as a specific character. Beyonder is not omnipotent since he couldn't bring death back. . TOAA (Starlin/Milgrom) in 03' created THOTI to be the most powerful force in all Marvel. They could literally blink the Beyonders out of existence by simply having a character state "one day the Beyonders were gone. Stalemate. matchups like these are. All Mighty: better feats, bigger multiverse, didn't get KOed by one of his creations. Technically God exists as a character on Earth called Yahweh, which is his Jewish name, meaning He does exist as Yahweh/God/Allah in the comics, but how we perceive God in our universe as an all-powerful, unstoppable force of nature is how TOAA is, except he's on an Omniversal scale. 3. Even The. Current TOAA's Omnipotence is local, virtually isolated and heavily dependent on functional integrity of the Marvel Multiverse Framework or System while Beyonder is beyond any of that. #4 ironthor1. Even if it logically and rationally. Forum Posts. 0. Who) vs the one above all (marvel) Battle takes place in the black void of absolute nothingness between the glory’s dimensional space (which is infinite I know just for the sake of painting the picture) and the marvel Omniverse. to win. Veldavana was the creator of the Tensei Slime Multiverse which consisted of all Concepts and infinite Planes of Dimentions. Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. -5. . We help you decide what wheel is right you. Actually PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality (according to Stan Lee), the purpose of his original existence. But it turns out the current Beyonder is the source of the power for God Emperor Doom and technical Molecule Man. DC hasn't even created beings on his level, because they realize that something that powerful. login to vote. Who wins this fight • 10 months. beyonder, to friggin TOAA v. Hajun, if not Beyonder. While Bruce may have had god's full power (and I doubt that he did) he lacks the. So there are two possibilities here. That being said TOAA indeed seems to be the sovereign of Marvel. Featherine. Pre Nemesis she was the Infinity Being who really was the original TOAA if you really want to get technical. is above the spectre and Living Tribunal. and it's the rules of the. @Pr_Beyonder: LT could very well beat Lucifer. - MUSICvisual effects that I use in my videos!INSTAGRAM: nick_. @hyperbeing said:. #3 Edited By Jmarshmallow. 0. if anything. The One Above All (Marvel Comics) + The Presence (DC Comics) CONDITIONS: Versions: Strongest known canon versions. " No actually there have been 3 different incarnations of the Beyonder with 3 different power levels. -Everything in bleach. Juntai. 300 Xenomorph Warriors (Alien) r/LegionofSuperheroes • Legion of Super-Heroes (Volume 8) Interlac Translations Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". Originally posted by galan7777777 yeah i know, it wasnt about the real god lol! damn isnt it amazing how a topic can go from spectre v. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite.